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Author Topic: Which OS is easiest to manage and maintain ?  (Read 705 times)

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Which OS is easiest to manage and maintain ?
« on: October 25, 2017, 09:37:14 am »
Recent discussions have prompted me to wonder about which OS is easiest to manage and maintain.

What does everyone think?

For individuals and small organizations, I would guess that Chromebooks and Apple are probably most admin-free.

Followed by LInux.

And then followed by Windows.

For large corporations that have software, automation, and expertise, I would guess Windows might be easier to manage and maintain than it is for consumers and small companies.

What do you think?

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Re: Which OS is easiest to manage and maintain ?
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2017, 09:41:36 am »

Well, strictly from the admin perspective, if you can use Perl to automate tasks, and the cron jobs... easy to manipulate text files.

I wish Linux would finally grow up into something interesting. I jumped on the bandwagon 20 years ago when it first came out (or more). Somewhere around 2000 lost interest. 
Remember when you had to have 20 floppies to install it?  Circa 1994 or something. 

In the 2000's, I mainly flirted with x86 Solaris 10, that seemed like that cool thing to do. yng srh*

I am trying to revive my interest as everyone is moving into RedHat Enterprise Linux, away from AIX, Solaris  and HP-UX.

 
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Re: Which OS is easiest to manage and maintain ?
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2017, 10:24:09 pm »
Yeah, RHEL seems to be taking over from the vendor Unices like AIX and HP/UX. I should try to revive my interest in that too.

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Re: Which OS is easiest to manage and maintain ?
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2017, 03:49:54 am »
Yeah, RHEL seems to be taking over from the vendor Unices like AIX and HP/UX. I should try to revive my interest in that too.

Actually CENTOS (which is actually a community version of RHEL anyway - but you knew that already!) runs a high percentage of the Web severs out there.   There are plenty of courses out there for both.   I use Udemy which has plenty of Linux courses,

Many large corporations use Centos as their base large servers with containers for the servers for Windows etc.    If you go into their data centers, there are some large systems, each running maybe a half dozen or more container OS's.

Once in a while you will see IBM mainframes running Linux with what are effectively containers for each "server" the users see.

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Re: Which OS is easiest to manage and maintain ?
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2017, 09:02:10 am »
Interesting, pxsant, I didn't know CentOS was making inroads to companies like that. I'm probably outdated, from my last server support role five or eight years back, when RHEL was still the main os from that linux "family" in corporate environments. I was going to download and look into and learn about RHEL, but you've convinced me my time would be better spent with CentOS. I'll go with that instead. Thanks.

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Re: Which OS is easiest to manage and maintain ?
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2017, 07:11:16 pm »
IMHO OS X for the normal users is by far the easiest to deal with. No driver bullshit, no constant updating ala Windows. Lots of Windows fanboys get incensed when people say the Mac is easier. Having been on both environments for years simultaneously, OS X by far is easier to maintain than Windows. Don't let anybody kid you otherwise. For the most part it just works.

I would buy another one without hesitation even though they can be expensive. If you have an iPhone the integration is totally seamless and you can do things that you can't do with any other OS. I went thought a hate phase with OS X as I was having a lot of grief which turned out to be bad memory. Once I replace the memory the problems went away.

Linux works providing you are not doing anything out of the ordinary. For myself I have a PC that dual boots to Ubuntu and Windows which is just the way I like it in case I need MS Office. For the most part its fine as I don't really need MS Office.   

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Re: Which OS is easiest to manage and maintain ?
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2017, 09:36:15 am »
One thing I'm really interested in learning about Windows, if anyone here knows.....

IMHO, Windows manageability is poor for individual consumers. Systems break even when the user doesn't do anything (due to Windows Update, or a virus, say).

But as a contractor in large corporations, it appeared to me they could manage Windows very effectively. They give only User rights to individuals (not Admin), and lock down machines via Policies. They keep data on backed-up lan servers, so the user can't lose it or screw it up. And if something does happen to your desktop, they never try to fix it. They simply schedule a re-image of your desktop overnight with their automated management tool.

Have others of you experienced this scenario?  Would you say WIndows is easy for big corporations to manage?

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Re: Which OS is easiest to manage and maintain ?
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2017, 11:47:12 am »
It is not really easy given all the provisions a corporation has to make to control and manage desktops and servers.   But easy is not the criteria they go by.   Windows has the apps they use so that is the desktop in use - no choice.

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Re: Which OS is easiest to manage and maintain ?
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2017, 12:14:40 pm »
IMHO, Windows manageability is poor for individual consumers. Systems break even when the user doesn't do anything (due to Windows Update, or a virus, say).
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Have others of you experienced this scenario?  Would you say WIndows is easy for big corporations to manage?

Apples and oranges.

In short, when something is TRULY important, it will be funded and supported. That important applies to a brick and mortar business with employees.

When something is not important in any way, then the money and intent to do things even remotely correctly is never available and is always cast as a rocket scientist wet dream wish list.  This statement characterizes the majority of low end users, solo and SMB.

Everything you said - locking down workstations, pushing users to make their "My Documents" paths point to a dedicated network share, etc - are part of why Windows in corporate environments is more predictable.

Also - corporations image their workstations periodically. That's part of the regimen you cited. The idea is that if your workstation gets a virus or crashes, they restore the image from the last known good backup. And, your own work data should be backed up because you keep nothing work related on the local drive.

Small businesses and individual owners often aren't even aware that they have a choice of where to store data, they have NO understanding of the access-controlled folder system of Windows local storage, and they don't have the time or understanding or sophistication to even start to think about a backup. Also almost all end users are sublimely unaware of what a backup entails, or what needs to take place.

I'm probably blaming dumbass users too much. Microsoft is squarely 100% to blame for conflating user data with the systems it resides upon. Everything Microsoft does seems to be toward reducing user literacy and making users believe in products over skills.  Microsoft's last, least concern is keeping its users data-whole in the event of catastrophe.

About 14 years ago I attempted a PC repair business. It made me want to call Dr. Kevorkian to shut things down early.  :'( >:(

I found that every single low end user, personal or small business, was a shining citadel of idiocy. The small businesses were always so poorly managed and run that it was incomprehensible to the ones I dealt with that they needed an actual funded plan for system backups. They always wanted to schlock around and half ass things because they never had any money, and then they screamed like stuck pigs when they had system crashes and needed services.

For example, one guy I did a task for designed business cards as a side business. His one outlook mailbox file was 20 or 30 gigs due to the Photoshop files and large graphics he sent his clients. I tried to explain how vulnerable he was if the file got corrupted and I recommended a solution - regular backups. In one fucking ear and out the other. Others were exactly the same.

My overall point is:

Windows is a huge bag of shit.

But it can be contained and managed. That requires comprehension, planning, skill, time and MONEY. When you grok what Windows is, which is the job of IT service companies, its inherent shit nature can be planned around.
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Re: Which OS is easiest to manage and maintain ?
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2017, 08:00:00 pm »
My overall point is:

Windows is a huge bag of shit.

But it can be contained and managed. That requires comprehension, planning, skill, time and MONEY. When you grok what Windows is, which is the job of IT service companies, its inherent shit nature can be planned around.

Elegantly stated, Sir!

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Big corporations are beginning to wake up to Apple's OS-X
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2017, 05:50:16 pm »
IMHO OS X for the normal users is by far the easiest to deal with.  Having been on both environments for years simultaneously, OS X by far is easier to maintain than Windows. Don't let anybody kid you otherwise. For the most part it just works.

Walmart, Delta Airlines and General Electric have awakened to OS-X.  M$-Windows might be in real trouble in a couple years.  Here are some links to some interesting articles about this.


Walmart plans to deploy 100,000 Macs to save on employee PC costs

IBM noted that PC users drive twice the number of support calls compared to Mac users, and that PC support tickets require desk side support by IT personnel five times as often. The company's own analysis showed that each Mac deployed saves the company $270 in support costs compared to a Windows PC.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/10/25/walmart-plans-to-deploy-100000-macs-to-save-on-employee-pc-costs



Delta Airlines allegedly switching flight crew hardware from Microsoft Surface to Apple iPad in early 2018

Airline Delta is allegedly in the process of switching its staff from Windows-based devices to iOS, with flight attendants set to replace Nokia handsets with the iPhone 7 Plus in early 2018, while pilots will apparently see their Microsoft Surface tablets exchanged for the 10.5-inch iPad Pro.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/10/20/delta-allegedly-switching-flight-crew-hardware-from-surface-to-ipad-in-early-2018



Delta Air Lines Says Goodbye to Microsoft Surface, Hello to Apple iPhone and iPad

Delta Air Lines will provide nearly 30,000 flight crew members with Apple iPads and iPhones, reversing course from a high-profile deal announced four years ago that armed flight crews with Microsoft hardware.

For the pilots, an iPad Pro will replace Surface tablets that were used as an “electronic flight bag,” which replaced paper maps, charts, and other documents that pilots typically carry.

http://fortune.com/2017/10/23/delta-airlines-microsoft-surface-apple-iphone-ipad/



And don't forget the discussion on this board about General Electric switching to Apple:

http://archive.computerconsultantsforum.com/discussions/ge-goes-with-apple-not-the-transformation-you-were-looking-for-satya/

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Re: Which OS is easiest to manage and maintain ?
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2017, 02:07:23 pm »
Yeah, it's true that everyone here who uses Apple likes its ease of maintenance. And now with Apple having such a big slice of the phone (and tablet) markets, it would seem to make sense for many companies to select them. Easy maintenance and great integration with mobile, a stong combination.

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Re: Which OS is easiest to manage and maintain ?
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2017, 06:09:42 pm »
Yeah, it's true that everyone here who uses Apple likes its ease of maintenance. And now with Apple having such a big slice of the phone (and tablet) markets, it would seem to make sense for many companies to select them. Easy maintenance and great integration with mobile, a stong combination.

But, expensive, mostly proprietary, single-source hardware and software is semi-closed. (The Apple Store for apps, isn't it? And when Apple shuts out an app it's unavailable.)
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Re: Which OS is easiest to manage and maintain ?
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2017, 07:22:07 pm »

Windows is why we have our jobs.

Hell, Linux is the reason we have our jobs as well.

I hate both with a passion. I would rather repair typewriters after 17:00 hours.

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Re: Which OS is easiest to manage and maintain ?
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2017, 03:02:02 am »
. I would rather repair typewriters after 17:00 hours.

Typewriter?? - What is that???  :D